Universal Access To All Knowledge
Home Donate | Store | Blog | FAQ | Jobs | Volunteer Positions | Contact | Bios | Forums | Projects | Terms, Privacy, & Copyright
Search: Advanced Search
Anonymous User (login or join us)
Upload

Reply to this post | Go Back
View Post [edit]

Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 30, 2012 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

Happy May Day everyone. I hope your seeds are in the ground and LIG!

http://tinyurl.com/76ygqfv

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: ColdRain108 Date: May 1, 2012 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Just like Billy Sunday...

Here is an article re: protesting in the streets. I don't have any attraction or opinion regarding the article I just found the reference to Billy Sunday interesting. The reference is in the answer to the second question asked.

http://grist.org/article/e-o-wilson-wants-to-know-why-youre-not-protesting-in-the-streets/

Hunter was such an American historian.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: snow_and_rain Date: May 1, 2012 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Seeds in the ground and TMDIH

This is our first year in this house, so I had to take care of the front yard landscaping first. Gotta keep up appearances! I'm gonna get my seeds in the ground this week though, I promise you that.

For TMDIH, there really is only one choice. The fireball from Alfred State College.

http://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-01.sbd.gans-miller.85322.sbeok.flac16

The short acoustic set is one of the best ever (though Jerry plays electric on New Speedway Boogie). And a pretty spicy Hard to Handle to boot! Watch out for the cut in Lovelight, ouch.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 1, 2012 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: May Day is International Workers Day!

What does May Day mean for the U.S.A. and American workers? May Day’s radical history is laid out in a news piece at Salon dot com, written by Jacob Remes.

American calls for general strikes, like the one Occupy Los Angeles issued last December that has been endorsed by over 150 general assemblies — are tinged with nostalgia. The last real general strike in this country, which is to say, the last general strike that shut down a city, was in Oakland, Calif. in 1946 — though journalist John Nichols has suggested that what we saw in Madison, Wisconsin last year was a sort of general strike. When we call a general strike, or talk of one, we refer not to a current mode of organizing; we refer back, implicitly or explicitly, to some of the most militant moments in American working-class history. read the full article online at Salon dot com.

• music-video of Which Side Are You On? - sung by Pete Seeger, 2:47
• music-video of No Banker Left Behind - sung by Ry Cooder, 3:30
• music-video of Bail Out America project - sung by Doo Occupy Project, 3:20

jobs-05_tim_cook-Foxconn_iPhone_factory_29March2012.jpg
Apple CEO Tim Cook enforcing Slave Labor in China for Apple on 29 March 2012

The scale is really staggering. Apple's devices are built in plants owned by Foxconn. It is typical to see 20,000, 25,000, 30,000 workers slaving away in enormous rooms. These people work silently on giant production lines where high-volume output is demanded. There is no talking allowed, no interaction with others, and no laughing is allowed. These things slow down the line. NO Waving Back to Apple CEO Tim Cook is allowed!!!

In China, Human Costs Are Built Into an iPad

An explosion on 20 May 2011 at a Foxconn factory in Chengdu, China, killed four people and injured 18. It built iPads. The explosion ripped through Building A5 on a Friday evening. An eruption of fire and noise twisted metal pipes as if they were discarded straws.

When workers in the cafeteria ran outside, they saw black smoke pouring from shattered windows. It came from the area where employees polished thousands of iPad cases a day.

Two people were killed immediately, and over a dozen others hurt. As the injured were rushed into ambulances, one in particular stood out. His features had been smeared by the blast, scrubbed by heat and violence until a mat of red and black had replaced his mouth and nose.

In the last decade, Apple has become one of the mightiest, richest and most successful companies in the world, in part by mastering global manufacturing. Apple and its high-technology peers — as well as dozens of other American industries — have achieved a pace of innovation nearly unmatched in modern history.

However, the workers assembling iPhones, iPads and other devices often labor in harsh conditions, according to employees inside those plants, worker advocates and documents published by companies themselves. Problems are as varied as onerous work environments and serious — sometimes deadly — safety problems.

Employees work excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms. Some say they stand so long that their legs swell until they can hardly walk. Under-age workers have helped build Apple’s products, and the company’s suppliers have improperly disposed of hazardous waste and falsified records, according to company reports and advocacy groups that, within China, are often considered reliable, independent monitors.

More troubling, the groups say, is some suppliers’ disregard for workers’ health. Two years ago, 137 workers at an Apple supplier in eastern China were injured after they were ordered to use a poisonous chemical to clean iPhone screens. Within seven months last year, two explosions at iPad factories, including in Chengdu, killed four people and injured 77. Before those blasts, Apple had been alerted to hazardous conditions inside the Chengdu plant, according to a Chinese group that published that warning.

“If Apple was warned, and didn’t act, that’s reprehensible,” said Nicholas Ashford, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, a group that advises the United States Labor Department. “But what’s morally repugnant in one country is accepted business practices in another, and companies take advantage of that.”

There have been a series of suicides at Foxconn where, month after month, workers would go up to the roofs of the buildings and throw themselves off the buildings. The fact that people were choosing to kill themselves in an incredibly public manner is really relevant. It demonstrates the pressures of Apple's production lines. It’s a very intense environment. Two years ago Apple required Foxconn to install anti-suicide safety nets around all their buildings where iPads and iPhones are made. These Apple-worker suicides have continued.

Apple is not the only electronics company doing business within a troubling supply system. Bleak working conditions have been documented at factories manufacturing products for Dell, Hewlett-Packard, I.B.M., Lenovo, Motorola, Nokia, Sony, Toshiba and others.

jobs-06_Cessna_in_China.jpg

College students are OCCUPIED!
Bing Crosby, "White Christmas", and his Ampex innovations
Why were many things better [in America] with less technology?
Can you survive on 22 seconds of News Broadcasting per day?
Don't Let Broadcasters Keep You in the Dark

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: matchstickstatue Date: May 1, 2012 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: May Day is International Workers Day!

Saw Pete a couple of year ago in Woodstock, and rarely have I been more moved than by participating in this routine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF0HLNq7IZI

Which side are you on indeed.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 1, 2012 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: May Day is International Workers Day!

Terry Gou - head of Foxconn
thumbnail.php?file=foxconn_225297143.jpg&size=article_medium
Foxconn manufactures Apple i-Pads
'Managing One Million Animals Gives Me A Headache'
by Henry Blodget | Business Insider | January 19, 2012

Billionaire Terry Gou is the head of Hon Hai (Foxconn). Foxconn is the largest contract manufacturer in the world. According to WantChinaTimes, Terry Gou had this to say at a recent meeting with his senior managers: "Hon Hai has a workforce of over one million [human beings] worldwide. Human beings are also animals. To manage one million animals gives me a headache!" Gou spoke these words at a recent year-end party. He added that he wants to learn from Chin Shih-chien, the director of the Taipei Zoo, regarding how animals should be managed. Gou not only invited Chin to take part in his company's annual review meeting but also asked all general managers in the group to listen to Chin's lecture, according to the local Common Wealth magazine.

ABC's "Nightline" tours Foxconn factory: "Foxconn is not like working anywhere else. Safety nets were installed between buildings after a spate of workers committed suicide in 2010. Apple CEO Tim Cook, then Apple's COO, flew to Shenzhen following the series of suicides and put together a team of experts to examine the issue. These experts recommended installing safety nets. There have been 18 worker suicides at Foxconn since 2010. According to Nightline, this is well below China's national average."

Suicides are prevalent amongst Foxconn workers. Most of them have leaped to their deaths very publicly, committing suicide on the job. Dangerous working conditions caused several of them to get killed on May 20, 2011 in a huge Foxconn plant explosion. Three internet workers died on the job for Foxconn in Chengdu, China - killed in an explosion on Apple's i-Pad2 production line. The explosion was due to an unsafe build-up of fine aluminum dust that comes from polishing Apple's devices. This explosion has been thoroughly investigated, documented, and ignored! Foxconn Technology Group's slave workers are The People manufacturing most of the internet devices we are using!

Below, a man walks past a building surrounded by safety netting at the Longhua Science & Technology Park, also known as Foxconn city, in Shenzhen, China. Photographer: Forbes Conrad | Bloomberg

iGXQwICQxyhg.jpg

• Foxconn and Apple installed anti-suicide safety nets for their workers •

cook_hero20110204.pngApple Press Info — Tim Cook, CEO

Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple and serves on its Board of Directors.


Before being named CEO in August 2011, Tim was Apple's Chief Operating Officer and was responsible for all of the company’s worldwide sales and operations, including end-to-end management of Apple’s supply chain, sales activities, and service and support in all markets and countries. He also headed Apple’s Macintosh division and played a key role in the continued development of strategic reseller and supplier relationships, ensuring flexibility in response to an increasingly demanding marketplace.

Prior to joining Apple, Tim was vice president of Corporate Materials for Compaq and was responsible for procuring and managing all of Compaq’s product inventory. Previous to his work at Compaq, Tim was the chief operating officer of the Reseller Division at Intelligent Electronics.

I, Monte Barry, am 60 years old. I taped the Grateful Dead numerous times in 1973, beginning on June 9 and 10, at RFK Stadium. The Grateful Dead used Ampex audio tape decks dozens of times to record their SBDs, albums, and other commercial releases. I also taped many other bands in the mid-1970s. I worked 3 years as a soundman through 1976. Then I worked for Ampex for 6 years, beginning in 1979. Ampex invented the videotape recorder in 1955.

Awards for Technical Excellence issued to Ampex for products and technology Ampex developed during the period 1957 - 1990 include eleven Emmy Awards, two Grammy Awards, and an Oscar.

Alembic developed and produced much of the equipment that was used by the Grateful Dead for their famous "wall of sound" PA System in 1973 and 1974. Ron Wickersham, one of Alembic's founders, worked previously as an audio engineer for Ampex. Alembic is best known for making fine modern guitars and basses.

Apple's safety nets at Foxconn plants
foxconn-safety-nets,I-E-253382-13.jpgI've worked over 30 years in electronics. Ampex never had any explosions in their main Audio-Video Systems Division factory in Colorado Springs. I worked in this factory. It was 239,000 square feet. Ampex workers were not getting killed there on the job. Ampex had other manufacturing plants and buildings that operated in Redwood City, Mountain View, and Sunnyvale, California. We never installed any anti-suicide safety nets around any of the Ampex buildings.

Ampex Magnetic Tape Division was headquartered in Opelika, Alabama. This made Ampex a manufacturer of both tape recorders and magnetic tape. Ampex's taping products were much in demand by top audio and video recording studios worldwide. Ampex factories operated for many years during the '60s, '70s, '80s, and '90s. I worked in Colorado for Ampex as a factory electronics technician for 3 years. I also worked 3 more years with Ampex as a field service engineer in the NYC area. Ampex workers were not severely stressed out and subjected to harsh working conditions. In fact, no Ampex workers ever committed suicide due to these reasons.

Ampex technicians and engineers were and are very highly regarded by Broadcasters, Cable TV Networks, NAB, SMPTE, AES, and other professional organizations. Ampex technicians and engineers were and are among the highest sought-after, and highest-paid, workers in Broadcasting. I epitomize this fact.

Alembic never had any explosions in their main facility. Alembic workers are not getting killed there on the job, nor have I ever heard of any of them committing suicide due to being subjected to harsh working conditions.

In fact, Alembic and Ampex comprised the greatest live music recording credits the Grateful Dead ever taped.

Recording credits for GD's Europe '72 tour:
Alembic Sound recorded the tapes for the GD's Europe '72 album. Alembic recorded all of the 16-track tapes for the entire Europe '72 tour's boxed set that Rhino recently released. Before the Dead's Europe '72 tour, Ron Wickersham modified their Ampex 16-track recorder to accept 14-inch reels, which helped minimize reel flips. He achieved this by taking the guts of the machine out of the Ampex MM-1000 audio tape deck frame and putting it into an Ampex VR-1200 video tape deck frame.

electronics worker Monte Barry's Taper Compendium

usa-network-monte.jpg

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 1, 2012 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: will May Day get more than 22 seconds of news coverage?

Re: Can you survive on 22 seconds of News Broadcasting per day?

BILL MOYERS: How did it happen? How did we sell what belonged to everyone?

MARTY KAPLAN: Part of it is the nexus of media, money, and special interest politics. The citizens have given the airwaves to the station. We own the electromagnetic spectrum and for free we give out licenses to television stations. Those stations, in turn, use that spectrum to get enormous amounts of money from special interests and from members of Congress in order to send these ads back to us to influence us. So we lose it in both ways. The other day, the president of CBS, Les Moonves, was reported by "Bloomberg" to have said "Super PACs may be bad for America, but they're … good for CBS." I mean, there it is. This is a windfall every election season, which seems not to even stop ever, for the broadcast industry. So not only are they raking it in, they're also creating a toxic environment for civic discourse.

People don't hear about issues. They hear these negative charges, which only turn them off more. The more negative stuff you hear, the less interested you are in going out to vote. And so they're being turned off, the stations are raking it in, and the people who are chortling all the way to Washington and the bank are the ones who get to keep their hands on the levers of power. So one of the big reasons that things are at the pass they are is that the founders never could have anticipated that a small group of people, a financial enterprise and the technology could create this environment in which facts, truth, accountability, that stuff just isn't entertaining. So because it's not entertaining, because the stations think it's ratings poison, they don't cover it on the news.

BILL MOYERS: They don't cover the news?

MARTY KAPLAN: They don't cover politics and government in the sense of issues. They're happy occasionally to cover horse race and scandal and personality and crime and that aspect of politics. But if you look at a typical half hour of news, local news, because local news is one of the most important sources of news for Americans about campaigns.

BILL MOYERS: You and your colleagues have done a lot of research on local news.

MARTY KAPLAN: And if you ask, "How much in that half hour [newscast] was about transportation, education law enforcement, ordinances, tax policy?" everything involving locals, from city to county. The answer is, in a half hour, 22 seconds. We've been studying this since 1998. And each year it gets more depressing and it's hard to believe.

BILL MOYERS: Twenty-two seconds devoted to what one would think are the serious issues of democracy, right?

MARTY KAPLAN: Yes. Whereas, in fact, there are three minutes about crime, and two and a half minutes about the ugliest dog contest, and two minutes about entertainment. There's plenty of room for stuff that the stations believe will keep people from changing the dial.

BILL MOYERS: What is the irony to me is that these very same stations that are giving 22 seconds out of a half hour to serious news, and not covering politics, are raking in money from the ads that the politicians and their contributors are spending on those same papers.

MARTY KAPLAN: Yes, they're earning hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars from the ads that they are being paid to run. And not even risking running a minute of news, which might actually check on the accuracy of an ad. Truth watches, they're almost invisible now.

The League of Women Voters doesn't have a chance any more —

BILL MOYERS: The League of Women Voters used to be the sponsors of the presidential debates.

MARTY KAPLAN: Exactly. Instead, the purpose of these debates is in order to have commercials. The suspense and coming back [to the "food fights" between candidates], those are devices deployed, in order to have people watch what happens in between. These are moneymaking propositions. They give bragging rights for those that get high ratings. They have nothing to do with the content. That's what happens. That's what passes for journalism. And that's what gets us to watch the ads for soap.

BILL MOYERS: What you're saying is that the political square is now a commercial enterprise, owned and operated for the benefit of the brand, CNN, Fox, all of those, right?

MARTY KAPLAN: That's correct. By believing that what is, is what always has been and what should be. The notion that what goes on is actually made by people, changes through time, represents the deployment of political power. That notion has gone away. We think it's always been this way. People now watching these CNN and Fox. They think this is how it works. They don't have a sense of history. The amnesia, which has been cultivated by journalism, by entertainment in this country, helps prevent people from saying, "Wait a minute, that's the wrong path to be on."

BILL MOYERS: Amnesia, forgetfulness? You say that they're cultivating forgetfulness?

MARTY KAPLAN: Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: Deliberately?

MARTY KAPLAN: Look at the way in which it — the march toward war in Iran, if that's what's going to happen, is being —

BILL MOYERS: Or slithering toward war.

MARTY KAPLAN: Well, it — when we get there we may feel as though the serpent bit us, no matter how we got to that point. But Iran should be covered through the prism of what happened in Iraq. All of the neoconservatives and right-wingers, who called for us to go into Iraq because of W.M.D.'s and because Saddam was bad. There is a history there. That history is within living memory of a lot of grownups in this country.

And unless people are willing to do the hard work of presenting the history and holding people accountable for the past, we will be condemned as it's been said, to repeat it first in tragedy and then in farce.

Marty Kaplan is the Norman Lear Professor of Entertainment, Media and Society at the University of Southern California’s Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism. He is the founding director of the School’s Norman Lear Center, a nonpartisan research and public policy center that “studies the social, political, economic and cultural impact of entertainment on the world.”

Kaplan’s expertise draws on his broad career in government and the entertainment industry. He was chief speechwriter to Vice President Walter F. Mondale and served as deputy campaign manager of Mondale’s 1984 presidential race, where he was responsible for policy, speechwriting, and research. He was an executive assistant to the U.S. Commissioner of Education Ernest L. Boyer, and his work in education policy continued through his roles as a program officer at the Aspen Institute, guest scholar at the Brookings Institution, and senior adviser at the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching.

Kaplan’s work in entertainment includes his 12 years with Walt Disney Studios, where Kaplan was vice president of production for live-action feature films and a writer-producer under exclusive contract. He wrote and executive produced the political comedy The Distinguished Gentleman, starring Eddie Murphy, adapted Michael Frayn’s play into the film Noises Off by Peter Bogdanovich, and was a writer on the action-adventure Max Q, produced for television by Jerry Bruckheimer.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 1, 2012 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: will May Day get more than 22 seconds of news coverage?

Re: will May Day get more than 22 seconds of news coverage today? No! — Why not?

update.jpg
(smoke and mirrors image was rendered by yours truly in 1991 using 3D Studio ver 2.0, DOS)

Barack Obama Makes Surprise Visit To Afghanistan - that's all the news you get today!

reporting from Fort Collins
Monte_occupy-fort-collins_reporting.jpg

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: May 2, 2012 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: will May Day get more than 22 seconds of news coverage?

I can't believe you put that filthy dollar bill on you mouth, good luck with the herpes, crabs etc.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 1, 2012 6:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

Here's the party in my 'hood:

And I guess she'd be popular. What's the guy-gal ratio? 200 to 1?

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/223550/slide_223550_922845_free.jpg


Not quite May Day, but ...

The GD playing the MIT quad, 5/6/70. Similar guy-gal ratio, actually. I think.

http://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events/e7e7ce1c67d515b18d1a7a52428373a2_1M.png



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2012-05-01 13:12:25

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 1, 2012 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

Hey real live Maoist's! Think how much better they would have done w/ a little sexiness in the mix instead of all the political power grows out of the barrel of a gun yada yada. Did you notice that no one is looking at the young woman, except the guy w/ the glasses on the left. Maybe it's a test and if you do you must be a capitalist-roader (no idea what that means but it was a big Cultural Revolution slogan). Actually I've never seen so many happy Maoists cumulatively in my life, never mind one picture. Maybe something was in the water...

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 1, 2012 9:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Smile smile smile

>Actually I've never seen so many happy Maoists cumulatively in my life, never mind one picture. Maybe something was in the water...

Yeah, bacteria.

Actually, smiling is the default expression here. I think it's the world's smiliest country. The police and soldiers are usually smiling, too. And talking on their cell phones and giggling.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: DeadATL Date: May 1, 2012 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

Saw this tweet recently: Communism's final tally: 0 omelets, 100 million broken eggs.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 1, 2012 4:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

I'd say that's about right. So many fun ways to break the eggs too. The Ukraine Famine, Kolyma GULAGs, a Great Leap Forward and Year Zero gets you going to the big number. I didn't even mention some of the biggies.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: bluedevil Date: May 1, 2012 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

when did communism equal socialism?

RIP Utah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmPX9cJHXyI&;feature=related

And Emma, Joe Hill, Phil Ochs, etc...

Billy Bragg -keep on playin'. May you and the Nightwatchman meet the Boss in the light of the ghost of tom joad...

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Tell Date: May 1, 2012 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

And in practice, neither lives up to the idealized "on paper" version. Totalitarianism, by any other name, still smells the same...now, there are a couple of belief systems for ya.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: bluedevil Date: May 1, 2012 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

Yet another excuse to quote the following:

"Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Tell Date: May 1, 2012 4:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

"STFU!...You're outta your element...BD"

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: bluedevil Date: May 1, 2012 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Roadies of the World Unite!

And break open your piggy banks....


http://tinyurl.com/7gxxfgg

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: matchstickstatue Date: May 1, 2012 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

Capitalist Roader:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_roader

Briefly, those who took over, eventually, in China and Russia (and, within my remarkably short time there, Nepal).

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 1, 2012 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

http://tinyurl.com/789mj9s

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: matchstickstatue Date: May 1, 2012 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

The throngs of red flags remind me of the day I accidentally attended a May day rally in Kathmandu - the first after the Maoist electoral victories (was wandering along, forgot what day it was after days of travel, and just happened to end up in front of it). Thousands of supporters of all ages and backgrounds, all draped in red, and thrilling sight to behold. Walked in front of the slow moving parade for a while, until I found myself standing between the peaceful demo and trenches dug in the street from which the Royal Nepalese Army (loyal to the not-yet deposed King) aimed various rifles at us. At that point, coward that I am, I hopped a cab back to the confines of the hotel, but I never forgot the state violence that always haunts most expressions of worker solidarity, and the bravery of those that resist it.

Hopefully it'll stay a day of workers' rights, and never be popularly understood as 'loyalty day': http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/05/01/presidential-proclamation-loyalty-day-2012

Amazing the effort that goes into trying to replace one flag with another.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 1, 2012 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Рабочие Мира Объединяются!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYUe0_WeY2A

Terms of Use (10 Mar 2001)